1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,220 hello 2 00:00:04,230 --> 00:00:12,470 [Music] 3 00:00:16,730 --> 00:00:14,450 um my name is Missy Houston 4 00:00:19,189 --> 00:00:16,740 um I'm sort of a fifth year grad student 5 00:00:21,470 --> 00:00:19,199 at Penn State in astronomy as you may 6 00:00:24,050 --> 00:00:21,480 have guessed from my background 7 00:00:25,910 --> 00:00:24,060 um but I just successfully defended my 8 00:00:32,810 --> 00:00:25,920 thesis last week so I've gone ahead and 9 00:00:36,709 --> 00:00:34,729 I don't get my diploma and start my 10 00:00:39,350 --> 00:00:36,719 postdoc until August but I'm still going 11 00:00:41,150 --> 00:00:39,360 to call myself Dr Houston now 12 00:00:43,369 --> 00:00:41,160 um so I'm going to be talking about 13 00:00:44,750 --> 00:00:43,379 something that was not in my thesis so I 14 00:00:46,190 --> 00:00:44,760 hadn't thought about too much for a 15 00:00:47,090 --> 00:00:46,200 couple months but I'm getting back to it 16 00:00:48,650 --> 00:00:47,100 now 17 00:00:50,150 --> 00:00:48,660 um this is some work I'm doing as part 18 00:00:52,970 --> 00:00:50,160 of the Penn State extraterrestrial 19 00:00:54,889 --> 00:00:52,980 Intelligence Center and this work is 20 00:00:57,830 --> 00:00:54,899 actually being led by a Dr Sophia shake 21 00:01:01,250 --> 00:00:57,840 at the study Institute 22 00:01:02,750 --> 00:01:01,260 so um this project came out of a group a 23 00:01:05,270 --> 00:01:02,760 collaboration called characterizing 24 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:05,280 atmospheric techno signatures or cats 25 00:01:10,670 --> 00:01:07,860 which I'm very glad we found a good 26 00:01:12,770 --> 00:01:10,680 abbreviation for and um so what this 27 00:01:14,990 --> 00:01:12,780 group is doing is just kind of creating 28 00:01:17,030 --> 00:01:15,000 a library of possible techno signatures 29 00:01:20,510 --> 00:01:17,040 and especially focusing on atmospheric 30 00:01:22,070 --> 00:01:20,520 techno signatures as jwst launches and 31 00:01:24,410 --> 00:01:22,080 we're making a lot of advances in our 32 00:01:26,630 --> 00:01:24,420 ability to characterize exoplanet 33 00:01:27,890 --> 00:01:26,640 atmospheres 34 00:01:29,390 --> 00:01:27,900 um but this project we're talking about 35 00:01:31,370 --> 00:01:29,400 today actually goes a bit more broad 36 00:01:32,929 --> 00:01:31,380 than that and we're thinking of all the 37 00:01:33,950 --> 00:01:32,939 Techno signatures that we produce here 38 00:01:35,450 --> 00:01:33,960 on Earth 39 00:01:37,370 --> 00:01:35,460 so the project we're calling Earth 40 00:01:40,310 --> 00:01:37,380 detecting Earth is establishing 41 00:01:42,469 --> 00:01:40,320 benchmarks for detectability based on 42 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:42,479 how strong our techno signatures we 43 00:01:46,670 --> 00:01:45,240 produce here on Earth are and how far 44 00:01:48,830 --> 00:01:46,680 away 45 00:01:51,530 --> 00:01:48,840 um we you would be able to use our 46 00:01:53,950 --> 00:01:51,540 telescopes to successfully detect our 47 00:01:57,230 --> 00:01:53,960 techno signatures 48 00:01:58,310 --> 00:01:57,240 so this is a very preliminary version of 49 00:01:59,990 --> 00:01:58,320 our plot here we're going to have more 50 00:02:03,109 --> 00:02:00,000 techno signatures than this and we still 51 00:02:05,569 --> 00:02:03,119 have to finish up a few calculations to 52 00:02:06,830 --> 00:02:05,579 get all our distances right but 53 00:02:08,330 --> 00:02:06,840 um we're basically just trying to 54 00:02:10,249 --> 00:02:08,340 calculate the detectable distance for 55 00:02:12,350 --> 00:02:10,259 our telescopes to observe our techno 56 00:02:14,330 --> 00:02:12,360 signatures for all of the Techno 57 00:02:17,210 --> 00:02:14,340 signatures that we could think of that 58 00:02:20,030 --> 00:02:18,470 so 59 00:02:22,369 --> 00:02:20,040 um this is related to a similar concept 60 00:02:24,530 --> 00:02:22,379 called the ignoscale which was proposed 61 00:02:27,589 --> 00:02:24,540 by socasinovaro at all a couple years 62 00:02:29,869 --> 00:02:27,599 ago this term is defined as the relative 63 00:02:31,850 --> 00:02:29,879 size or intensity of a techno signature 64 00:02:34,750 --> 00:02:31,860 in units of the same type no signature 65 00:02:37,670 --> 00:02:34,760 as produced by Earth's technology 66 00:02:40,070 --> 00:02:37,680 so kind of the first step in our project 67 00:02:42,710 --> 00:02:40,080 is to quantify the strength of Earth's 68 00:02:44,750 --> 00:02:42,720 current day techno signatures and this 69 00:02:48,290 --> 00:02:44,760 is kind of defining the power level that 70 00:02:50,210 --> 00:02:48,300 is an ignoscale value of one 71 00:02:52,070 --> 00:02:50,220 and then we're going to determine what 72 00:02:54,410 --> 00:02:52,080 distance we can use our technology to 73 00:02:56,150 --> 00:02:54,420 detect those technical signatures and to 74 00:02:57,550 --> 00:02:56,160 keep things kind of uniform among all 75 00:03:01,070 --> 00:02:57,560 detective signatures we're looking at 76 00:03:02,330 --> 00:03:01,080 we're adopting a signal noise ratio of 77 00:03:04,009 --> 00:03:02,340 five 78 00:03:05,809 --> 00:03:04,019 um but we're also going to talk a bit 79 00:03:07,729 --> 00:03:05,819 about scaling relations you can use if 80 00:03:10,130 --> 00:03:07,739 you want to get higher signal to noise 81 00:03:12,410 --> 00:03:10,140 or something like that 82 00:03:15,229 --> 00:03:12,420 so I'm just kind of going to go through 83 00:03:16,430 --> 00:03:15,239 a few of our calculations here 84 00:03:20,390 --> 00:03:16,440 um 85 00:03:21,649 --> 00:03:20,400 weight over so uh the first kind of 86 00:03:24,050 --> 00:03:21,659 technical signature I want to talk about 87 00:03:25,729 --> 00:03:24,060 is intermittent celestially targeted 88 00:03:27,649 --> 00:03:25,739 radio Transmissions 89 00:03:30,770 --> 00:03:27,659 so the types of signals that would 90 00:03:32,449 --> 00:03:30,780 produce this are Medi signals so 91 00:03:34,790 --> 00:03:32,459 intentional messages that we have sent 92 00:03:36,290 --> 00:03:34,800 out ostensibly to communicate with 93 00:03:39,290 --> 00:03:36,300 extraterrestrial life but we don't 94 00:03:41,089 --> 00:03:39,300 really do a lot of that so 95 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:41,099 um the more common types of signals we 96 00:03:48,289 --> 00:03:44,400 send out are powerful radio signals 97 00:03:50,449 --> 00:03:48,299 targeted at planets and asteroids in the 98 00:03:53,149 --> 00:03:50,459 solar system in order to characterize 99 00:03:55,610 --> 00:03:53,159 them with radar 100 00:03:58,009 --> 00:03:55,620 so for our calculation we are assuming 101 00:04:00,530 --> 00:03:58,019 that our radar transmitter is Arecibo 102 00:04:03,649 --> 00:04:00,540 Rip but 103 00:04:05,449 --> 00:04:03,659 um our Observer for radio observations 104 00:04:09,110 --> 00:04:05,459 we are using the currently under 105 00:04:11,330 --> 00:04:09,120 construction square kilometer array if 106 00:04:12,470 --> 00:04:11,340 we assume assume an observation time of 107 00:04:14,270 --> 00:04:12,480 one hour 108 00:04:16,670 --> 00:04:14,280 then we get our Earth detecting Earth 109 00:04:18,409 --> 00:04:16,680 detectable distance of 12 000 light 110 00:04:19,670 --> 00:04:18,419 years for our most powerful radio 111 00:04:22,610 --> 00:04:19,680 signals 112 00:04:24,050 --> 00:04:22,620 so this is the highest number that we're 113 00:04:25,790 --> 00:04:24,060 going to see in terms of our distances 114 00:04:28,070 --> 00:04:25,800 here but I wanted to start with it to 115 00:04:30,050 --> 00:04:28,080 really emphasize that 116 00:04:31,610 --> 00:04:30,060 um I see techno signatures as a really 117 00:04:33,650 --> 00:04:31,620 important part of the search for 118 00:04:36,230 --> 00:04:33,660 biosignatures because when you think 119 00:04:38,749 --> 00:04:36,240 about all of the signs of life that we 120 00:04:40,370 --> 00:04:38,759 produce here on Earth our radio signals 121 00:04:41,930 --> 00:04:40,380 are by far the most detectable thing 122 00:04:45,170 --> 00:04:41,940 that we produce 123 00:04:47,030 --> 00:04:45,180 so I really hope that the fields of 124 00:04:49,189 --> 00:04:47,040 biosignatures intactive signatures can 125 00:04:50,510 --> 00:04:49,199 work closely together because I think we 126 00:04:52,730 --> 00:04:50,520 want to take as many approaches as 127 00:04:55,749 --> 00:04:52,740 possible to find any types of life we 128 00:04:58,370 --> 00:04:55,759 can in the universe 129 00:05:00,710 --> 00:04:58,380 so the next category of techno signature 130 00:05:02,870 --> 00:05:00,720 is just another type of radio signal 131 00:05:05,450 --> 00:05:02,880 intermittent celestially untargeted 132 00:05:07,969 --> 00:05:05,460 leakage so these are 133 00:05:10,129 --> 00:05:07,979 signals that we intentionally send into 134 00:05:12,590 --> 00:05:10,139 the sky but not necessarily with the aim 135 00:05:16,129 --> 00:05:12,600 of going to space so things like 136 00:05:18,110 --> 00:05:16,139 Military and Commercial aircraft radar 137 00:05:20,570 --> 00:05:18,120 we're just kind of assuming the standard 138 00:05:22,310 --> 00:05:20,580 aircraft radar systems for a transmitter 139 00:05:24,469 --> 00:05:22,320 and again observing with the square 140 00:05:26,330 --> 00:05:24,479 kilometer array 141 00:05:29,450 --> 00:05:26,340 and our Earth attacking earth distance 142 00:05:30,830 --> 00:05:29,460 is a bit over 200 light years 143 00:05:32,450 --> 00:05:30,840 um so this is a still a pretty big 144 00:05:34,610 --> 00:05:32,460 distance this includes quite a number of 145 00:05:36,890 --> 00:05:34,620 stars 146 00:05:40,189 --> 00:05:36,900 um if we're considering you know the 147 00:05:41,810 --> 00:05:40,199 Stars within this distance range 148 00:05:43,969 --> 00:05:41,820 uh the next Technic signature I want to 149 00:05:46,310 --> 00:05:43,979 talk about is persistent omnidirectional 150 00:05:48,770 --> 00:05:46,320 radio leakage so there was some early 151 00:05:50,450 --> 00:05:48,780 work done on this topic actually in 1989 152 00:05:52,850 --> 00:05:50,460 where 153 00:05:53,930 --> 00:05:52,860 um Sullivan at all simulated 154 00:05:56,689 --> 00:05:53,940 um 155 00:05:58,310 --> 00:05:56,699 the output of Earth's television Tower 156 00:06:01,430 --> 00:05:58,320 Transmissions as you might be able to 157 00:06:04,070 --> 00:06:01,440 observe them from space and concluded 158 00:06:06,950 --> 00:06:04,080 that it's possible that other life out 159 00:06:09,110 --> 00:06:06,960 in the universe knows that we're here 160 00:06:12,050 --> 00:06:09,120 um our TV signals aren't quite as 161 00:06:14,689 --> 00:06:12,060 powerful now as they were in the peak 162 00:06:16,730 --> 00:06:14,699 a time but um we've got all kinds of 163 00:06:19,189 --> 00:06:16,740 mobile cell phone towers all over the 164 00:06:20,870 --> 00:06:19,199 world now so there's a really great 165 00:06:23,150 --> 00:06:20,880 paper that just came out a few weeks ago 166 00:06:25,249 --> 00:06:23,160 by Mira Sade at all 167 00:06:27,469 --> 00:06:25,259 um that kind of does a similar 168 00:06:29,629 --> 00:06:27,479 calculation to the Sullivan paper but 169 00:06:32,150 --> 00:06:29,639 using mobile phone towers instead of 170 00:06:38,150 --> 00:06:35,270 so we adopted their value of a 171 00:06:40,129 --> 00:06:38,160 transmitter strength of four gigawatts 172 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:40,139 and again using the square kilometer 173 00:06:45,409 --> 00:06:43,380 array as our radio detector and we got a 174 00:06:46,490 --> 00:06:45,419 detectable distance of just under a 175 00:06:48,650 --> 00:06:46,500 light year 176 00:06:51,770 --> 00:06:48,660 so this is a little bit too short of a 177 00:06:53,749 --> 00:06:51,780 distance to reach any nearby stars 178 00:06:55,670 --> 00:06:53,759 um but it's getting pretty close and as 179 00:06:57,650 --> 00:06:55,680 radio technology improves this kind of 180 00:07:00,170 --> 00:06:57,660 uh thing is going to become more 181 00:07:04,550 --> 00:07:02,090 the next techno signature I want to talk 182 00:07:07,189 --> 00:07:04,560 about is intermittent targeted laser 183 00:07:10,490 --> 00:07:07,199 leakage so these are laser signals that 184 00:07:13,189 --> 00:07:10,500 we happen to be sending out into space 185 00:07:13,909 --> 00:07:13,199 um so for the non astronomers in the 186 00:07:14,870 --> 00:07:13,919 room 187 00:07:16,969 --> 00:07:14,880 um 188 00:07:20,029 --> 00:07:16,979 the example that I want to use here is 189 00:07:22,670 --> 00:07:20,039 Adaptive Optics lasers Adaptive Optics 190 00:07:25,129 --> 00:07:22,680 is an astronomy technique where you take 191 00:07:27,409 --> 00:07:25,139 ground-based telescopes and distort 192 00:07:29,510 --> 00:07:27,419 their mirrors and in order to account 193 00:07:32,270 --> 00:07:29,520 for the effects of the atmosphere on the 194 00:07:34,670 --> 00:07:32,280 light that we observed from space 195 00:07:36,529 --> 00:07:34,680 um and uh there are kind of a lot of 196 00:07:38,390 --> 00:07:36,539 factors that goes into that but one 197 00:07:40,730 --> 00:07:38,400 thing is that sometimes we need to 198 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:40,740 create an artificial guide star to 199 00:07:46,129 --> 00:07:43,740 calibrate these and so what we do is 200 00:07:48,290 --> 00:07:46,139 send really powerful lasers shooting 201 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:48,300 into the atmosphere so that's some 202 00:07:51,890 --> 00:07:49,680 amount of that laser power hits the 203 00:07:54,110 --> 00:07:51,900 atmosphere and bounces back for us to 204 00:07:56,390 --> 00:07:54,120 observe while a lot of that laser power 205 00:07:58,430 --> 00:07:56,400 just happens to go out into space 206 00:08:02,629 --> 00:07:58,440 wherever it's headed 207 00:08:04,730 --> 00:08:02,639 so um for our calculation for laser 208 00:08:07,370 --> 00:08:04,740 leakage we use the Keck 10 meter 209 00:08:08,330 --> 00:08:07,380 telescope and it's of Adaptive Optics 210 00:08:10,309 --> 00:08:08,340 system 211 00:08:12,529 --> 00:08:10,319 and we get a detectable distance of 212 00:08:15,469 --> 00:08:12,539 about 10 light years so this distance 213 00:08:17,689 --> 00:08:15,479 does include a few nearby stars but it's 214 00:08:19,610 --> 00:08:17,699 important to note that we're not 215 00:08:21,770 --> 00:08:19,620 actually directing these lasers at any 216 00:08:23,330 --> 00:08:21,780 nearby stars because you only need to 217 00:08:25,730 --> 00:08:23,340 use Adaptive Optics 218 00:08:28,309 --> 00:08:25,740 um the laser artificial guide star if 219 00:08:31,070 --> 00:08:28,319 you don't have a real well-known bright 220 00:08:33,949 --> 00:08:31,080 star you can look at so we're never 221 00:08:37,570 --> 00:08:33,959 really doing that right at nearby Stars 222 00:08:42,250 --> 00:08:39,769 so the next category of techno 223 00:08:44,389 --> 00:08:42,260 signatures I want to get into are 224 00:08:46,910 --> 00:08:44,399 exoplanetary techno signatures that you 225 00:08:49,870 --> 00:08:46,920 might detect for example in our in the 226 00:08:52,370 --> 00:08:49,880 atmosphere of a planet 227 00:08:54,530 --> 00:08:52,380 so we've got an example here of one 228 00:08:57,050 --> 00:08:54,540 possible atmospheric pollutant which is 229 00:08:59,090 --> 00:08:57,060 nitrogen dioxide and this is based on 230 00:09:01,009 --> 00:08:59,100 work done by kaparapu at all a couple 231 00:09:03,829 --> 00:09:01,019 years ago 232 00:09:06,410 --> 00:09:03,839 so this simulation was performed using 233 00:09:09,949 --> 00:09:06,420 the planetary Spectrum generator and 234 00:09:11,570 --> 00:09:09,959 assuming that our Observer is a luvex 235 00:09:13,790 --> 00:09:11,580 which I guess is now called habitable 236 00:09:16,730 --> 00:09:13,800 worlds Observatory 237 00:09:19,310 --> 00:09:16,740 um which is a space mission that's under 238 00:09:21,769 --> 00:09:19,320 development but is the combination of 239 00:09:24,050 --> 00:09:21,779 luvar and habex Mission Concepts that 240 00:09:27,829 --> 00:09:24,060 was for a few months called lubrics but 241 00:09:30,170 --> 00:09:27,839 now this is already out of date so 242 00:09:32,389 --> 00:09:30,180 um our detectable distance here is a 243 00:09:34,910 --> 00:09:32,399 little over three light years so this 244 00:09:35,449 --> 00:09:34,920 includes some nearby stars 245 00:09:37,610 --> 00:09:35,459 um 246 00:09:40,070 --> 00:09:37,620 but it's important to know that NO2 can 247 00:09:41,630 --> 00:09:40,080 also be created through natural means so 248 00:09:43,850 --> 00:09:41,640 there's a lot of complicated chemistry 249 00:09:45,410 --> 00:09:43,860 at play here to determine whether it's 250 00:09:47,870 --> 00:09:45,420 actually artificial 251 00:09:48,530 --> 00:09:47,880 but a really important thing about these 252 00:09:50,269 --> 00:09:48,540 um 253 00:09:53,329 --> 00:09:50,279 cultural app atmospheric pollution 254 00:09:55,190 --> 00:09:53,339 signatures is that you can use the same 255 00:09:57,470 --> 00:09:55,200 observations to search for techno 256 00:09:59,509 --> 00:09:57,480 signatures and biosignatures when you're 257 00:10:00,530 --> 00:09:59,519 looking at the Spectra so I think it's a 258 00:10:04,610 --> 00:10:00,540 really great way that these two 259 00:10:09,050 --> 00:10:06,050 um and then the last techno signature 260 00:10:12,050 --> 00:10:09,060 I'm going to talk about is City Lights 261 00:10:14,449 --> 00:10:12,060 so I'm showing a picture here of Earth 262 00:10:15,290 --> 00:10:14,459 as each part of the world appears at 263 00:10:17,150 --> 00:10:15,300 night 264 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:17,160 with City Lights 265 00:10:22,070 --> 00:10:19,680 um so for this calculation we're using 266 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:22,080 some work done by Thomas Beatty where he 267 00:10:27,410 --> 00:10:24,240 assumes that our lights are primarily 268 00:10:29,570 --> 00:10:27,420 from high pressure sodium lamps 269 00:10:31,730 --> 00:10:29,580 in this simulation our Observer is 270 00:10:33,769 --> 00:10:31,740 luvore a so a slightly earlier version 271 00:10:36,350 --> 00:10:33,779 of the lyrics I talked about last time 272 00:10:39,530 --> 00:10:36,360 luvore was an earlier Mission concept 273 00:10:41,030 --> 00:10:39,540 concept for that so this exact design is 274 00:10:43,030 --> 00:10:41,040 not going to be launched in space but 275 00:10:46,329 --> 00:10:43,040 we're going to have something similar 276 00:10:49,850 --> 00:10:46,339 and our distance for this one is only 277 00:10:52,310 --> 00:10:49,860 0.075 light years so this means 278 00:10:54,470 --> 00:10:52,320 um that we could only use something like 279 00:10:56,090 --> 00:10:54,480 luvor to detect our city lights if we're 280 00:10:59,150 --> 00:10:56,100 in the Oort cloud which is just kind of 281 00:11:00,650 --> 00:10:59,160 the outer regions of the solar system 282 00:11:02,329 --> 00:11:00,660 um so if you want to detect this kind of 283 00:11:05,329 --> 00:11:02,339 thing you're going to have to 284 00:11:08,389 --> 00:11:05,339 uh have a planet that has a lot more 285 00:11:12,710 --> 00:11:10,730 and so I'll just kind of leave up my 286 00:11:15,350 --> 00:11:12,720 summary slide here as the list of the 287 00:11:16,910 --> 00:11:15,360 Techno signatures that we're looking at 288 00:11:19,069 --> 00:11:16,920 um the first few on the list here are 289 00:11:21,050 --> 00:11:19,079 the ones that we quickly went over I've 290 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:21,060 got a few more highlighted in yellow and 291 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:22,560 for those our calculations are still 292 00:11:26,990 --> 00:11:23,760 underway 293 00:11:28,130 --> 00:11:27,000 and then we've crossed a few out 294 00:11:30,829 --> 00:11:28,140 um that turned out to be techno 295 00:11:33,829 --> 00:11:30,839 signatures we've crossed off of um 296 00:11:36,050 --> 00:11:33,839 consideration for various reasons mostly 297 00:11:37,610 --> 00:11:36,060 because it's just not feasible to 298 00:11:38,750 --> 00:11:37,620 observe them from space at all we'd be 299 00:11:40,730 --> 00:11:38,760 talking about still in Earth's 300 00:11:42,170 --> 00:11:40,740 atmosphere for our distance 301 00:11:43,130 --> 00:11:42,180 or because 302 00:11:44,870 --> 00:11:43,140 um 303 00:11:47,030 --> 00:11:44,880 another possible techno signature is 304 00:11:49,509 --> 00:11:47,040 observing the contents of Earth's 305 00:11:52,130 --> 00:11:49,519 atmosphere over time and how it changes 306 00:11:53,930 --> 00:11:52,140 but we decided for this project that 307 00:11:56,509 --> 00:11:53,940 we're not going to get into things that 308 00:11:59,569 --> 00:11:56,519 are based on changes over time because 309 00:12:01,009 --> 00:11:59,579 uh this is already a really big paper as 310 00:12:02,930 --> 00:12:01,019 is 311 00:12:12,110 --> 00:12:02,940 um so yeah I can take questions I also 312 00:12:16,130 --> 00:12:14,690 all right thank you Macy our new doctor 313 00:12:17,509 --> 00:12:16,140 Houston 314 00:12:19,009 --> 00:12:17,519 um unfortunately we only have time for 315 00:12:22,490 --> 00:12:19,019 one question so I want to see some real 316 00:12:26,449 --> 00:12:24,769 hi um thank you so much for your talk I 317 00:12:28,009 --> 00:12:26,459 definitely agree with you that take my 318 00:12:30,410 --> 00:12:28,019 signature and by signature scientists 319 00:12:32,449 --> 00:12:30,420 need to work more closely together 320 00:12:34,610 --> 00:12:32,459 um I was wondering I know the paper is 321 00:12:36,350 --> 00:12:34,620 already super cool as it is but as a 322 00:12:38,630 --> 00:12:36,360 sort of follow-up 323 00:12:40,610 --> 00:12:38,640 um would it be possible to estimate what 324 00:12:42,769 --> 00:12:40,620 sort of techno signal like how those 325 00:12:44,389 --> 00:12:42,779 techno signatures would evolve 326 00:12:45,889 --> 00:12:44,399 um in the future and if there's one 327 00:12:49,370 --> 00:12:45,899 that's going to shoot up and at what 328 00:12:52,430 --> 00:12:49,380 point in our future uh would we be 329 00:12:54,670 --> 00:12:52,440 detectable to most terrestrial planets 330 00:12:57,110 --> 00:12:54,680 in our galaxy 331 00:12:58,430 --> 00:12:57,120 yeah we'll talk a little bit about that 332 00:12:59,990 --> 00:12:58,440 in the discussion but we're not going to 333 00:13:01,970 --> 00:13:00,000 get too quantitative 334 00:13:05,090 --> 00:13:01,980 um but that is something that comes up 335 00:13:07,129 --> 00:13:05,100 as in you know uh one of the main things 336 00:13:09,889 --> 00:13:07,139 you hear people talk about this in is is 337 00:13:11,629 --> 00:13:09,899 like radio leakage because like 338 00:13:13,430 --> 00:13:11,639 if our cell phone towers were more 339 00:13:15,530 --> 00:13:13,440 directed you know down at the Earth they 340 00:13:17,449 --> 00:13:15,540 could be more efficient and maybe more 341 00:13:19,430 --> 00:13:17,459 advanced technology has less leakage 342 00:13:21,650 --> 00:13:19,440 into space just because 343 00:13:23,030 --> 00:13:21,660 it's a waste of energy 344 00:13:24,829 --> 00:13:23,040 um so yeah these are things we think 345 00:13:26,509 --> 00:13:24,839 about I don't have any definitive 346 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:26,519 answers right now 347 00:13:37,630 --> 00:13:35,030 [Music] 348 00:13:46,430 --> 00:13:37,640 [Applause]